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Backup grouping -- coming up in R75

Alex Pankratov :

Jul 15, 2015



Finally got around to implementing collapsible backup groups in the UI.
Here's a couple of sketches of the UI details -

1.
https://bvckup2.com/wip/r75-groups-r2-a.png -- collapsed
https://bvckup2.com/wip/r75-groups-r2-b.png -- expanded

2.
https://bvckup2.com/wip/r75-groups-r1-a.png -- collapsed
https://bvckup2.com/wip/r75-groups-r1-b.png -- expanded

Thoughts?

Froggie :

Jul 15, 2015

The + sign is used much more for expandable groups although I do like the BAR.  The + would be better with a small CIRCLE or BOX around it.

Alex Pankratov :

Jul 16, 2015

Having circle/box adds 2px on each side. It will require pushing the text to the right and I'd rather not do that.

Here's today's pass - https://bvckup2.com/wip/r75-groups.gif

I think it's pretty much there...

Lurch :

Jul 16, 2015

I like the bar, fits in quite well with the sleek UI. The + is too 'angular' and non smooth, although the dropdown is better on the later version then the earlier one.

Froggie :

Jul 16, 2015

:-)  OK, a pixel here and a pixel there are a problem... I like them both, anyway  (actually... I love the app no matter what it looks like)

forseti :

Jul 19, 2015

I liked the arrow head after the backup group name  - maybe having left and right ponting arrowheads to signify expand/contract rather than the down version. Of course you might have to trim the name of the backup group if there is no room ....

Alex Pankratov :

Jul 19, 2015

Thank you, gentlemen. All noted.

How about this one -

https://bvckup2.com/wip/r75-groups-r4-a.png  --  collapsed
https://bvckup2.com/wip/r75-groups-r4-b.png  --  expanded

* There are certain implementation difficulties with the tabbed version, though it's the one I personally like the best.

Lurch :

Jul 19, 2015

I think the problem with the tabbed one is that the + and the arrow on the tab are not only completely different but located on different sides of the heading. It would probably be better with the arrow on the right pointing right or down for hidden/collapsed I would think (or possibly same arrow, different colours)?

I wouldn't say any of the other ones were particularly wrong or garish in any way, they are all pretty sleek in one way or another. I still like r1 though. ;)



Dino :

Dec 31, 2015

Personally I think just the '+' is little to small to actually notice (to thin).
I actually like the black bar with the tab interface.
Perhaps a more subtle bar + additional info beneath the group name "+ (backup group)    (x jobs)" would be nice?

Crude mock up here:
http://i.imgur.com/iO1ATGI.png

nod5 :

Feb 19, 2016

Looking forward to this feature!

Of the posted sketches I prefer the +

Have you ruled out using bolded text or a background color for the group parent row?

Alex Pankratov :

Feb 19, 2016

No, I haven't. The simplest thing to do would be to make this customizable through the INI.

That said, the grouping is not going to be in the next release. R75 has already accumulated a lot of big changes, so squeezing the grouping in will really push it into an uncomfortable zone.

Bamit :

Apr 30, 2016

Alex,

In addition to the new grouping option, we will be able to change or re-order the jobs list?

For example, I have 22 different backup jobs in my list.  Each corresponding to their individual .ini files located in each of their prospective CFG folders

Example:   ..\Bvckup2\Cfg\engine\backup-0001 through ..-0022

Many of the different jobs which I had created as needed were done over a several month period. Some of the backup jobs (like music files etc.) relate to each other, but are unfortunately listed numerically (in between, lets say, document files) as they were created.

In other words, will we be able to simply drag or move the items in the job lists around, or will all jobs have to be recreated in the order you want them to achieve this?

Thanks

MWorthington :

Apr 30, 2016

Can't you drag them now in the UI?

Froggie :

Apr 30, 2016

I sure can...

Bamit :

Apr 30, 2016

Yes, you both are correct.  Going back for coffee now, pay no attention to me.  Feeling stupid.......

Froggie :

Apr 30, 2016

Bamit, Bamit!  I'm glad you got it... it slipped in along the way, fooled a lot of us.

MWorthington :

May 01, 2016

I think Alex's "grouping" will be another step, looking at the images in this thread. I also hope one will be able to initiate a group backup via a single click, for instance .....

Alex Pankratov :

May 07, 2016

it slipped in along the way,


I beg your pardon. It was done in one of the early betas back in 2013 - https://bvckup2.com/wip/13072013

Bamit :

May 07, 2016

Alex, is it possible it had something to do with the precision mouse issue you recently discovered?
If you say yes, then I can keep my dignity and not look like such a fool.  Otherwise I am sticking with my theory that I just missed the add on of this feature and just needed a brain adjustment.

jimmyt650 :

May 23, 2016

Loving this feature!
I can't wait! :)

My 2 cents would be:
Collapsed: https://bvckup2.com/wip/r75-groups-r1-a.png
Expanded: https://bvckup2.com/wip/r75-groups-r4-b.png (but maybe a darker grey bar instead of the '+')

However, I am just excited for the option so anything will be good.

Will there be a "Go" option for collapsed group? So that it will run through the whole group in the order they are placed in the group? @MWorthington has asked this

MWorthington :

May 24, 2016

I guess a key part of grouping is making the different groups visible from one another. A simple use of colour/shading could be an  idea, much as using in a spreadsheet. Not necessarily different colours for all groups, but alternate ones to define them

Mark

jimmyt650 :

May 24, 2016

Would the existing horizontal lines that are there now would make it easy to see the different groups?

Please see my mock up of the collapsed and expanded groups:
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t265/jimmyt650/Backup2_zpsypmpfsaj.jpg

More ideas:
-Be able to see how many jobs are in the group (in image)
-See when the oldest backup was run in the group tile (and maybe in settings to have the option to show then the most recent was run instead?) (in image)
-To be able to run through all the backups in the group (ie when you press go for the group tile it will run through the order in the group)
-(assuming this is already the way) be able to drag and drop into the groups

:) let me know what you guys think? (Sorry, I am super excited for this grouping feature)

MWorthington :

May 24, 2016

I think colours or shading would be clearer

mihai :

Jun 07, 2017

How can i group backups ? I could not find more details regarding this on the forum so far ... ?

Alex Pankratov :

Jun 07, 2017

This is not done yet.

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